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	<title>Comments on: What Do You Really Want?:  Magic and the Collective Subconscious</title>
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		<title>By: Paula Kawal &#124; Journey Inward Productions</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paula Kawal &#124; Journey Inward Productions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 14:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jeff,

I love your analogy of how you felt after the healing because energetically, this is almost a literal interpretation of the work we did...which of course, was my pleasure!

I wanted to comment on a the subject matter of the post and also on using our intent.  I agree with Slade about being incredibly conscious of the way you use magick.  I personally focus more on the energy I want for myself and the rest of the planet and trust it to align circumstances for me.

Any of us that have been working with Guides, Divine Energy and Spirit can attest that their advice doesn&#039;t always make logical sense when you ask for their help.  Often you&#039;ll ask for something and they will ask you to do something that seems totally unrelated, yet lo and behold...it gets you what you actually needed to move forward and grow.

This is the kind of trust I hold around the evolving consciousness of our planet as well.  I will follow my Guides and I will keep letting Spirit know what I want and then trust it to help us get there.

There is a group of people meditating for Wisdom in leadership here in the US...if you&#039;d like to join them please go to, www.wiseusa.net :)

Now for the conscious mind, unconscious mind and the collective.  I like to think of these minds as levels of thought that take us further down into the well of our own Souls and the core of who we are as a Spirit.

The one that is closest to the surface of which  we are most aware, is the conscious mind.  The conscious mind is largely filtered, as it is our practical vehicle for managing third dimensional living.  It is what allows us to make schedules, keep time and other concepts that only exist here.  It is the essence of intent and it&#039;s ability to focus (if disciplined) is what allows us to move energy here on the earth plane.

The unconscious mind is  a level deeper than the conscious mind...this mind has access to more information about the nature of the energy surrounding us.  Much of this information is filtered out on the conscious level so that we can function, intuitive folks have trained their minds to let certain levels of information from this realm through.  It is possible to function mostly from this mind, however, doing so makes it difficult to get grounded and be able to get things done on a practical level.  This is why most practices of this type include an on/off the switch through meditation or ritual,  the most common type of communication with this mind comes in the form of dreams.

The collective is quite amazing, it is mind on the level of unity, of the web in which we are interwoven into the structure of all that is.  This is the level of mind through which become aware of how the individual functions within the whole.

So how does this work?

Whether we know it or not, at our deepest levels, we are the collective.  We grow up into our version of &quot;self&quot;, while our roots and core remain in unity with life.  Our subconscious becomes ruler of automatic functions and acts in many ways as mediator between the &quot;All&quot; and our own sense of &quot;Self&quot;.

When we climb through the levels, the information we have access to changes us.  If we take our individual desires through these levels to the &quot;All&quot; and back again, we reach alignment, however, what we want and the way we see our possibilities will have transformed through our experience of these other minds and the new information we now have access to.

I think we have to make this journey inward to actually understand what we want and of course that can&#039;t help but change it to an expression of the desire that honors the Highest Good of all involved while still serving the individual self :)

The warring and dueling happens when the minds aren&#039;t communicating, because then the conscious mind is pushing against the unseen forcing instead of having a conscious participation...this rather like having a dance partner that insists upon leading with their eyes closed...completely oblivious to the people and objects and line of the space in which their dancing :)

My take on it all leaves me with a sense of the &quot;individual collective&quot;.  At our core, we are vast and eternal...what we see through our conscious mind, can be at best a &quot;rough translation&quot; of what is actually out there and available to us.  

Each of us, has an individual experience and understanding of traveling to the core and back.  I like to think of the conscious mind as a provider of an earth dimensional perspective to the larger parts of our consciousness, and the other minds as a provider of the perspective of wholeness to our conscious mind :)  The sacrifice I think, is the willingness to dance between them, with your eyes wide open!

Celestial hugs,

PK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jeff,</p>
<p>I love your analogy of how you felt after the healing because energetically, this is almost a literal interpretation of the work we did&#8230;which of course, was my pleasure!</p>
<p>I wanted to comment on a the subject matter of the post and also on using our intent.  I agree with Slade about being incredibly conscious of the way you use magick.  I personally focus more on the energy I want for myself and the rest of the planet and trust it to align circumstances for me.</p>
<p>Any of us that have been working with Guides, Divine Energy and Spirit can attest that their advice doesn&#8217;t always make logical sense when you ask for their help.  Often you&#8217;ll ask for something and they will ask you to do something that seems totally unrelated, yet lo and behold&#8230;it gets you what you actually needed to move forward and grow.</p>
<p>This is the kind of trust I hold around the evolving consciousness of our planet as well.  I will follow my Guides and I will keep letting Spirit know what I want and then trust it to help us get there.</p>
<p>There is a group of people meditating for Wisdom in leadership here in the US&#8230;if you&#8217;d like to join them please go to, <a href="http://www.wiseusa.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.wiseusa.net</a> <img src='http://druidjournal.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Now for the conscious mind, unconscious mind and the collective.  I like to think of these minds as levels of thought that take us further down into the well of our own Souls and the core of who we are as a Spirit.</p>
<p>The one that is closest to the surface of which  we are most aware, is the conscious mind.  The conscious mind is largely filtered, as it is our practical vehicle for managing third dimensional living.  It is what allows us to make schedules, keep time and other concepts that only exist here.  It is the essence of intent and it&#8217;s ability to focus (if disciplined) is what allows us to move energy here on the earth plane.</p>
<p>The unconscious mind is  a level deeper than the conscious mind&#8230;this mind has access to more information about the nature of the energy surrounding us.  Much of this information is filtered out on the conscious level so that we can function, intuitive folks have trained their minds to let certain levels of information from this realm through.  It is possible to function mostly from this mind, however, doing so makes it difficult to get grounded and be able to get things done on a practical level.  This is why most practices of this type include an on/off the switch through meditation or ritual,  the most common type of communication with this mind comes in the form of dreams.</p>
<p>The collective is quite amazing, it is mind on the level of unity, of the web in which we are interwoven into the structure of all that is.  This is the level of mind through which become aware of how the individual functions within the whole.</p>
<p>So how does this work?</p>
<p>Whether we know it or not, at our deepest levels, we are the collective.  We grow up into our version of &#8220;self&#8221;, while our roots and core remain in unity with life.  Our subconscious becomes ruler of automatic functions and acts in many ways as mediator between the &#8220;All&#8221; and our own sense of &#8220;Self&#8221;.</p>
<p>When we climb through the levels, the information we have access to changes us.  If we take our individual desires through these levels to the &#8220;All&#8221; and back again, we reach alignment, however, what we want and the way we see our possibilities will have transformed through our experience of these other minds and the new information we now have access to.</p>
<p>I think we have to make this journey inward to actually understand what we want and of course that can&#8217;t help but change it to an expression of the desire that honors the Highest Good of all involved while still serving the individual self <img src='http://druidjournal.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The warring and dueling happens when the minds aren&#8217;t communicating, because then the conscious mind is pushing against the unseen forcing instead of having a conscious participation&#8230;this rather like having a dance partner that insists upon leading with their eyes closed&#8230;completely oblivious to the people and objects and line of the space in which their dancing <img src='http://druidjournal.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>My take on it all leaves me with a sense of the &#8220;individual collective&#8221;.  At our core, we are vast and eternal&#8230;what we see through our conscious mind, can be at best a &#8220;rough translation&#8221; of what is actually out there and available to us.  </p>
<p>Each of us, has an individual experience and understanding of traveling to the core and back.  I like to think of the conscious mind as a provider of an earth dimensional perspective to the larger parts of our consciousness, and the other minds as a provider of the perspective of wholeness to our conscious mind <img src='http://druidjournal.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   The sacrifice I think, is the willingness to dance between them, with your eyes wide open!</p>
<p>Celestial hugs,</p>
<p>PK</p>
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		<title>By: Slade &#124; Shift Your Spirits</title>
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		<dc:creator>Slade &#124; Shift Your Spirits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 20:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anne &#124; Jeff, 

I had to come back and comment about the Republican vice-presidential nominee. Have you seen the video circulating of her church praying over her in a ritual specifically to &quot;protect her from all forms of Witchcraft&quot;?

I&#039;m sure it&#039;s on YouTube somewhere... Of course, as a life-long eclectic witch, the synchronicity of Anne&#039;s comment and the video made me chuckle. 

I am deeply, deeply politically active and opinionated, however, as I identify myself and my work with the role of priest, I abstain from writing about politics on Shift Your Spirits. 

But I do allow myself to comment on political subjects on other sites.
:-)

I did want to point out, when I read Anne&#039;s comment, that using magick to &quot;block&quot; anyone is incredibly dangerous, as I believe that whatever you project at her you will experience yourself. Three-times over, and all that westy-wiccy-karma... 

Believe me, I struggle daily with the most wicked thoughts -- &quot;What happened to all the assassins?&quot; 

I feel that praying against/ working magick against someone or something is the inverse of a highest possible goal/intention. 

That which you resist, persists. That which you focus on, expands. 

Perhaps the better spell is not to block those you oppose but to raise up and empower those who DO represent what you hope to see. 

The unfortunate truth, or the philosophical resignation that I have had to be content with is that if I live in a country that is still ignorant enough to continue allowing ignorance by willfully voting for it -- then honestly, as a collective, we deserve what we get.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anne | Jeff, </p>
<p>I had to come back and comment about the Republican vice-presidential nominee. Have you seen the video circulating of her church praying over her in a ritual specifically to &#8220;protect her from all forms of Witchcraft&#8221;?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s on YouTube somewhere&#8230; Of course, as a life-long eclectic witch, the synchronicity of Anne&#8217;s comment and the video made me chuckle. </p>
<p>I am deeply, deeply politically active and opinionated, however, as I identify myself and my work with the role of priest, I abstain from writing about politics on Shift Your Spirits. </p>
<p>But I do allow myself to comment on political subjects on other sites.<br />
 <img src='http://druidjournal.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I did want to point out, when I read Anne&#8217;s comment, that using magick to &#8220;block&#8221; anyone is incredibly dangerous, as I believe that whatever you project at her you will experience yourself. Three-times over, and all that westy-wiccy-karma&#8230; </p>
<p>Believe me, I struggle daily with the most wicked thoughts &#8212; &#8220;What happened to all the assassins?&#8221; </p>
<p>I feel that praying against/ working magick against someone or something is the inverse of a highest possible goal/intention. </p>
<p>That which you resist, persists. That which you focus on, expands. </p>
<p>Perhaps the better spell is not to block those you oppose but to raise up and empower those who DO represent what you hope to see. </p>
<p>The unfortunate truth, or the philosophical resignation that I have had to be content with is that if I live in a country that is still ignorant enough to continue allowing ignorance by willfully voting for it &#8212; then honestly, as a collective, we deserve what we get.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Lilly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Lilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>R, are you in Montana?  I heard Paul was on the ballot there.

Here in Massachusetts, he&#039;s not.  Nevertheless, I am definitely considering writing in Ron Paul.  However, I hear he has endorsed the candidate for the Constitution Party, so I am considering him as well.  I will definitely not be voting for either of the Republicrats.

I think Paul mentioned in a recent press conference that 60% of the American public are not satisfied with McBama, and would prefer to vote for someone different.  You and Anne have inspired me to write an article about why I&#039;m one of those, and what would happen if everyone really voted their conscience.  :-)  Look for it in the next few weeks...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>R, are you in Montana?  I heard Paul was on the ballot there.</p>
<p>Here in Massachusetts, he&#8217;s not.  Nevertheless, I am definitely considering writing in Ron Paul.  However, I hear he has endorsed the candidate for the Constitution Party, so I am considering him as well.  I will definitely not be voting for either of the Republicrats.</p>
<p>I think Paul mentioned in a recent press conference that 60% of the American public are not satisfied with McBama, and would prefer to vote for someone different.  You and Anne have inspired me to write an article about why I&#8217;m one of those, and what would happen if everyone really voted their conscience.  <img src='http://druidjournal.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   Look for it in the next few weeks&#8230;</p>
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