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		<title>By: Druid Journal &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How to Choose a Religion I: Intro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Druid Journal &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How to Choose a Religion I: Intro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jeff Lilly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Lilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 21:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kate, re: hallucination vs. unpleasant reality brain-in-a-jar:  I&#039;d also much rather know the truth.

Re:  choosing congregations:  I think you&#039;re right; there may certainly be sad cases where you cannot find a good congregation for the belief system that fits you best, and a good congregation is really necessary.  But again, I think this is a place where Seeker and Spirit need to have some give and take.  It may be the case that in this single life, it is part of the Seeker&#039;s journey to walk a difficult path alone.  It is a worthwhile thing to learn...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kate, re: hallucination vs. unpleasant reality brain-in-a-jar:  I&#8217;d also much rather know the truth.</p>
<p>Re:  choosing congregations:  I think you&#8217;re right; there may certainly be sad cases where you cannot find a good congregation for the belief system that fits you best, and a good congregation is really necessary.  But again, I think this is a place where Seeker and Spirit need to have some give and take.  It may be the case that in this single life, it is part of the Seeker&#8217;s journey to walk a difficult path alone.  It is a worthwhile thing to learn&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Gladstone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate Gladstone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 19:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re:

&quot;If there were no sense of community there, or an unhealthy one, it would be bad to join, no matter what their beliefs are. (You could still adopt the philosophy, though.)&quot;

This may cause problems if a core element of &quot;the philosophy&quot;/the beliefs involves (or otherwise requires) place very high importance on joining and functioning within a community/congregation: the philosophy/beliefs may focus on/&quot;live themselves through&quot; participation in group events, and may even strongly prohibit &quot;going it alone.&quot;

For example -- from what I know of Mormonism, a faith I believe you&#039;ve had some contact with -- a person who converted to (or grew up in) Mormonism, but who could not or (even for some strong/compelling reason) did not meet with other Mormons for worship or other purposes, would have effectively &quot;zilch&quot; Mormon life. (His/her &quot;solo&quot; version of Mormonism might somewhat resemble joining a football team, never attending practices or games, but working out alone in one&#039;s room with a football and calling this &quot;solo football.&quot;)

Re the very important distinction between joining a belief-system and joining a congregation -- C. S. Lewis&#039; SCREWTAPE LETTERS have some (in my opinion) very  interesting and thought-provoking things to say about the difference and why it matters. 
As you recall: early in Screwtape Letter Sixteen, we see the professional soul-warper Screwtape advising his younger colleague Wormwood about how to make sure that the soul in Wormwood&#039;s charge does *not* stand the least chance of learning anything true or important from the church he attends. Here, Screwtape considers it of prime importance (for successful soul-warping) to encourage his victim to go &quot;congregation shopping&quot; as we might say, in order to find a congregation that perfectly fits, that perfectly pleases, but that  (by the same token) does not in any way challenge his present self. 

 Screwtape advisest that, if the soul-warper can&#039;t cure a churchgoer of looking for God, then &quot;the next best thing is to send him all over the neighbourhood looking for the church that &#039;suits&#039; him until he becomes a taster or connoisseur of churches. ...  The congregational principle 
        [of joining a congregation
        because you like the congregation, 
        rather than the &quot;parochial principle&quot; 
        which Lewis favored -- joining a church, 
        finding a nearby congregation of that church 
        and sticking to it ] 
makes each church into a kind of club, and finally, if all goes well, into a coterie or faction ... [and] makes the man a critic where the Enemy 
      [the enemy of soul-warping: 
       God, or Spirit as you would say] 
wants him to be a pupil.&quot;

Further down in the same Letter, ofof course, Lewis *does* address the fact that &quot;congregation shopping&quot; (instead of just sticking with whatever you can find nearby) may become necessary even though Lewis plainly doesn&#039;t like the necessity: 
Screwtape notes to  Wormwood that, of the two churches nearest Wormwood&#039;s current victim, the first has a cleric who sees his job as protecting the congregation from all inconvenient truths, and the second has a cleric who runs his church on hate, often preaching &quot;some kind of theocratic Fascism.&quot;

(One could even go further: I suspect that Lewis would have heartily approved a bit of &quot;congregation shopping&quot; if the pulpits of nearby churches proved to house thieves, terrorists, or child-molesters.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re:</p>
<p>&#8220;If there were no sense of community there, or an unhealthy one, it would be bad to join, no matter what their beliefs are. (You could still adopt the philosophy, though.)&#8221;</p>
<p>This may cause problems if a core element of &#8220;the philosophy&#8221;/the beliefs involves (or otherwise requires) place very high importance on joining and functioning within a community/congregation: the philosophy/beliefs may focus on/&#8221;live themselves through&#8221; participation in group events, and may even strongly prohibit &#8220;going it alone.&#8221;</p>
<p>For example &#8212; from what I know of Mormonism, a faith I believe you&#8217;ve had some contact with &#8212; a person who converted to (or grew up in) Mormonism, but who could not or (even for some strong/compelling reason) did not meet with other Mormons for worship or other purposes, would have effectively &#8220;zilch&#8221; Mormon life. (His/her &#8220;solo&#8221; version of Mormonism might somewhat resemble joining a football team, never attending practices or games, but working out alone in one&#8217;s room with a football and calling this &#8220;solo football.&#8221;)</p>
<p>Re the very important distinction between joining a belief-system and joining a congregation &#8212; C. S. Lewis&#8217; SCREWTAPE LETTERS have some (in my opinion) very  interesting and thought-provoking things to say about the difference and why it matters.<br />
As you recall: early in Screwtape Letter Sixteen, we see the professional soul-warper Screwtape advising his younger colleague Wormwood about how to make sure that the soul in Wormwood&#8217;s charge does *not* stand the least chance of learning anything true or important from the church he attends. Here, Screwtape considers it of prime importance (for successful soul-warping) to encourage his victim to go &#8220;congregation shopping&#8221; as we might say, in order to find a congregation that perfectly fits, that perfectly pleases, but that  (by the same token) does not in any way challenge his present self. </p>
<p> Screwtape advisest that, if the soul-warper can&#8217;t cure a churchgoer of looking for God, then &#8220;the next best thing is to send him all over the neighbourhood looking for the church that &#8216;suits&#8217; him until he becomes a taster or connoisseur of churches. &#8230;  The congregational principle<br />
        [of joining a congregation<br />
        because you like the congregation,<br />
        rather than the "parochial principle"<br />
        which Lewis favored -- joining a church,<br />
        finding a nearby congregation of that church<br />
        and sticking to it ]<br />
makes each church into a kind of club, and finally, if all goes well, into a coterie or faction &#8230; [and] makes the man a critic where the Enemy<br />
      [the enemy of soul-warping:<br />
       God, or Spirit as you would say]<br />
wants him to be a pupil.&#8221;</p>
<p>Further down in the same Letter, ofof course, Lewis *does* address the fact that &#8220;congregation shopping&#8221; (instead of just sticking with whatever you can find nearby) may become necessary even though Lewis plainly doesn&#8217;t like the necessity:<br />
Screwtape notes to  Wormwood that, of the two churches nearest Wormwood&#8217;s current victim, the first has a cleric who sees his job as protecting the congregation from all inconvenient truths, and the second has a cleric who runs his church on hate, often preaching &#8220;some kind of theocratic Fascism.&#8221;</p>
<p>(One could even go further: I suspect that Lewis would have heartily approved a bit of &#8220;congregation shopping&#8221; if the pulpits of nearby churches proved to house thieves, terrorists, or child-molesters.)</p>
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