Comments on: The Structure of Consciousness, Part One: Archetypes and Circuits http://druidjournal.net/2006/07/29/the-structure-of-consciousness-part-one-archetypes-and-circuits/ Spiritual Guidance by Word, Card, and Star Sat, 28 Jan 2012 07:51:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Druid Journal - Why I Blog (or: I’m on a Mission from a God) http://druidjournal.net/2006/07/29/the-structure-of-consciousness-part-one-archetypes-and-circuits/comment-page-1/#comment-313546 Druid Journal - Why I Blog (or: I’m on a Mission from a God) Thu, 11 Aug 2011 19:52:49 +0000 http://druidjournal.net/2006/07/29/the-structure-of-consciousness-part-one-archetypes-and-circuits/#comment-313546 [...] We spoke of a blog. It was clear he had great plans for it. He tried to show me a visual representation of it, but all I could make out was a complex digital web of information. He wanted it to be infused with his presence. Not necessarily about him, I think — except perhaps as a symbol — but dedicated to the principles he is passionate about. This would include history and the future as well, since he is the embodiment of time-binding… [...] [...] We spoke of a blog. It was clear he had great plans for it. He tried to show me a visual representation of it, but all I could make out was a complex digital web of information. He wanted it to be infused with his presence. Not necessarily about him, I think — except perhaps as a symbol — but dedicated to the principles he is passionate about. This would include history and the future as well, since he is the embodiment of time-binding… [...]

]]> By: Enyoch http://druidjournal.net/2006/07/29/the-structure-of-consciousness-part-one-archetypes-and-circuits/comment-page-1/#comment-220429 Enyoch Thu, 30 Sep 2010 16:29:56 +0000 http://druidjournal.net/2006/07/29/the-structure-of-consciousness-part-one-archetypes-and-circuits/#comment-220429 l need help my parents are extreme strong in the faith of christianity and even l belive so of what they say l know with every fiber of my soul lm a druid. My parents would never accept me if l told they some of my other family member arent christians l heard of them but my family never talks of them they have be complete ignored and denied from the family one of them is my half-sister and lm worried if i tell my parents they reject me from the family. Im only 5 months away from turning 18 and l think if they found they would kick me out. Every day l live with them and every thing is just getting worse and worse every day something bad happens and now l try to think of the good things in my life from my family and to tell you the truth the there isnt much plus l have to think really far back to see some good things in my life. Because for that my sould and mind are confused and lost l am sure of so little. I have been seeking advice and guidance for 5 years now and its about to be 6 years and dont know how lm going to fit in society and where am l in the world l believe that every one is in this world because they want to be here which brings the question of why l want to be here. Some know the answer consciously and they are lucky but for the others the answer is subconsciously and we have nor know the answer well we do but not consciously. l guess you could said lm having the problem of finding myself and l dont know what to do because some things my parents try to teach l know that what there saidning isnt true l cant explain why but l just know it. Anyway l have so many question and so little answer so l was searching the internet to try to find answer but no luck so far but l saw this site and strangley for some reason l decide to write this commet l dont know what to do and my mind is cloudy by some fog of unknown any way. Im seeking answers from any one so if you wish you can email me and l would love to find someone who could advice me or guide in some way l dont know want l want nor need this fog seems to have no end Sincerly, Enyoch l need help my parents are extreme strong in the faith of christianity and even l belive so of what they say l know with every fiber of my soul lm a druid. My parents would never accept me if l told they some of my other family member arent christians l heard of them but my family never talks of them they have be complete ignored and denied from the family one of them is my half-sister and lm worried if i tell my parents they reject me from the family. Im only 5 months away from turning 18 and l think if they found they would kick me out. Every day l live with them and every thing is just getting worse and worse every day something bad happens and now l try to think of the good things in my life from my family and to tell you the truth the there isnt much plus l have to think really far back to see some good things in my life. Because for that my sould and mind are confused and lost l am sure of so little. I have been seeking advice and guidance for 5 years now and its about to be 6 years and dont know how lm going to fit in society and where am l in the world l believe that every one is in this world because they want to be here which brings the question of why l want to be here. Some know the answer consciously and they are lucky but for the others the answer is subconsciously and we have nor know the answer well we do but not consciously. l guess you could said lm having the problem of finding myself and l dont know what to do because some things my parents try to teach l know that what there saidning isnt true l cant explain why but l just know it. Anyway l have so many question and so little answer so l was searching the internet to try to find answer but no luck so far but l saw this site and strangley for some reason l decide to write this commet l dont know what to do and my mind is cloudy by some fog of unknown any way. Im seeking answers from any one so if you wish you can email me and l would love to find someone who could advice me or guide in some way l dont know want l want nor need this fog seems to have no end

Sincerly, Enyoch

]]> By: Jeff Lilly http://druidjournal.net/2006/07/29/the-structure-of-consciousness-part-one-archetypes-and-circuits/comment-page-1/#comment-75 Jeff Lilly Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:05:27 +0000 http://druidjournal.net/2006/07/29/the-structure-of-consciousness-part-one-archetypes-and-circuits/#comment-75 You make good arguments. Let me throw a little more data into the mix. * It may be that fight vs. flight is the best analogy for the first circuit, but Wilson and Leary go a little more basic than that. They suggest that a positive imprint basically means GO_FORWARD and a negative one means GO_BACK -- the two basic thoughts of, say, a paramecium or a worm. "Fight" would be a subtype of GO_FORWARD, I suppose, and it's available as an option to animals that can handle that kind of advanced response. :-) Is it possible that "fight" is actually associated with the second circuit? I think this would fit in better with Wilson's model, but I don't know. I can recommened Wilson's "Prometheus Rising" without reservation if you want to get deeper into it (although it's quite irreverent and has graphic language -- just a warning ;-) ). * The primary reason I associated -/- with earth, -/+ with fire, +/- with water, and +/+ with air is because that is the association suggested, indirectly, by Wilson himself (who is a Capricorn!). In "Prometheus Rising", he pairs up the four settings with the four personality types recognized by the medieval Europeans: melancholic, choleric, phlegmatic, and sanguine, respectively. He does not associate each of these four "humours" with elements, but I happened to read elsewhere what the association was usually considered to be. Wikipedia's article on the "four humours" is a place you can read up on that, if you're not already familiar with it. * As for your being stubborn rather than submissive :-), I think Wilson would argue that, since you are not driven to dominate a social order, that counts as submissive. As you say, "submissive" is not at all a bad thing; it simply means that you are not instinctively driven to take over the group of mammals you are associated with (either by dominating the conversation, taking others resources, stealing away mating partners, etc.). I also seem to remember that the famed stubbornness of Taurus comes from a combination of earth + fixed; and in my experience, at least, the fixed signs are more stubborn than the earth signs. I haven't found Virgos to be stubborn at all. But Leos!... * You make some good points about the semantic time binding. The only thing I'm really attached to is the association with the three kinds of aspect found in all human languages (completed/perfective, ongoing/imperfective, non-associated/irrealis; in English, "I have walked", "I am walking", "I will/should/could/... walk"). That seems very suggestive to me of how people instinctively think about time. Every event you can talk about in any language has to be associated with one of those aspects. Doesn't that seem very basic? What do you think? * I'll see if I can dig up any info on breaking a sign into three parts. I know I read about that somewhere! * You're absolutely right about the 8 states corresponding to three binary options. But if I say any more there'd be no point in writing a blog entry about it! :-) You make good arguments. Let me throw a little more data into the mix.
* It may be that fight vs. flight is the best analogy for the first circuit, but Wilson and Leary go a little more basic than that. They suggest that a positive imprint basically means GO_FORWARD and a negative one means GO_BACK — the two basic thoughts of, say, a paramecium or a worm. “Fight” would be a subtype of GO_FORWARD, I suppose, and it’s available as an option to animals that can handle that kind of advanced response. :-) Is it possible that “fight” is actually associated with the second circuit? I think this would fit in better with Wilson’s model, but I don’t know. I can recommened Wilson’s “Prometheus Rising” without reservation if you want to get deeper into it (although it’s quite irreverent and has graphic language — just a warning ;-) ).
* The primary reason I associated -/- with earth, -/+ with fire, +/- with water, and +/+ with air is because that is the association suggested, indirectly, by Wilson himself (who is a Capricorn!). In “Prometheus Rising”, he pairs up the four settings with the four personality types recognized by the medieval Europeans: melancholic, choleric, phlegmatic, and sanguine, respectively. He does not associate each of these four “humours” with elements, but I happened to read elsewhere what the association was usually considered to be. Wikipedia’s article on the “four humours” is a place you can read up on that, if you’re not already familiar with it.
* As for your being stubborn rather than submissive :-) , I think Wilson would argue that, since you are not driven to dominate a social order, that counts as submissive. As you say, “submissive” is not at all a bad thing; it simply means that you are not instinctively driven to take over the group of mammals you are associated with (either by dominating the conversation, taking others resources, stealing away mating partners, etc.). I also seem to remember that the famed stubbornness of Taurus comes from a combination of earth + fixed; and in my experience, at least, the fixed signs are more stubborn than the earth signs. I haven’t found Virgos to be stubborn at all. But Leos!…
* You make some good points about the semantic time binding. The only thing I’m really attached to is the association with the three kinds of aspect found in all human languages (completed/perfective, ongoing/imperfective, non-associated/irrealis; in English, “I have walked”, “I am walking”, “I will/should/could/… walk”). That seems very suggestive to me of how people instinctively think about time. Every event you can talk about in any language has to be associated with one of those aspects. Doesn’t that seem very basic? What do you think?
* I’ll see if I can dig up any info on breaking a sign into three parts. I know I read about that somewhere!
* You’re absolutely right about the 8 states corresponding to three binary options. But if I say any more there’d be no point in writing a blog entry about it! :-)

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